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[speaker_0] Hello, my name is Samuel.
I graduated from MIT in
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2023. I did ML Safety Scholars under Dr.
Dan Hendrycks at UC Berkeley.
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It's a full-time course.
I got convinced by some of these
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why the superintelligence might be coming
soon, why it could be dangerous, and I
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realized actually my life is in danger.
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[speaker_1] Yes,
I think there's an actual chance I might
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[speaker_2] So your motive why you
are doing so, I know because, uh, when we
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reach a certain level, the AI will, uh,
going to impact us.
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[speaker_1] Something.
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[speaker_0] Yeah.
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[speaker_1] Okay? It will fail.
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No matter what you do,
you're wasting your time.
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[speaker_0] Uh, yeah,
I think in the next five to 10 years,
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will become better than humans at
everything.
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I'm against the idea of like, uh,
like I'm pro-technology, pro-capitalism,
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but I'm specifically against
superintelligence.
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An AI which is so much better than humans
is do everything.
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And then you can run the entire business,
politics, research.
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There's no thing you can run.
When you're in that sort of scenario,
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basically hundred percent unemployment.
It'll be like everybody will be useless.
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[speaker_2] See, brother,
you see the human race take over.
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[speaker_0] Yeah.
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[speaker_2] We, human race, you know,
we work without technology
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also.
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[speaker_0] Yeah.
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[speaker_2] Without science also.
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[speaker_0] Yeah.
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[speaker_2] Without, we work. Science
and technology and
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machinery.
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[speaker_0] Yeah.
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[speaker_2] We are surviving.
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[speaker_0] Yeah.
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[speaker_2] There is a way.
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[speaker_1] No, instead of companies,
can we
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have some kind of system where we
democratize.
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[speaker_0] Hey,
I'm completely in support with you on,
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had an institution
that could democratically control what to
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superintelligence-
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[speaker_1] Yeah
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[speaker_0] ...
I would be in support of that. Uh,
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I haven't built it, you haven't built it.
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If nobody builds it in the next five to 10
years, I'm saying this thing can be
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happening.
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[speaker_3] I think this is,
so I believe like it's way ahead of a
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Like,
I don't think it's coming any year to us.
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It, it being exponential because, uh,
priorly what the,
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the major thing which was solved,
all the attention mechanism we got earlier
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also,
we have got the second going to I believe.
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[speaker_0] Like I, like there
are some AI researchers in the AI research
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think we can build an AI that's better
than humans in everything.
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Like we might be able to build this in
like next five years, 10, you know.
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[speaker_2] Thinking probably, yeah. I'm
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afraid of this. I'm afraid of this kind of
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scenario.
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[speaker_0] Yes.
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[speaker_2] Then what we will do?
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[speaker_0] Right. Now I'm basically, uh,
trying to raise awareness to put, like,
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so that the public puts pressure on the US
government, on the Chinese government.
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[speaker_1] So the AI for, for
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peace. For peace.
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[speaker_0] Yeah. Yeah.
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That could be the winning something.
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[speaker_1] Are you making this just to
become famous?
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[speaker_0] Uh, no.
I actually think my life is in danger.
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I could have had, you know, career in,
you know, software research.
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I actually think my life is in danger,
that's all.
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[speaker_1] The actual, uh,
good life kind of things
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not reached the Earth. Main thing
is whatsoever is virtual
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we must implement.
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[speaker_0] I
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don't
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want to discourage anyone working on it,
but also when I looked at it, what I
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realized was like this
is not getting solved in five years.
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Like this is going to take more time than
that.
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Like
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unless, you know,
some genius comes in here,
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like this will take time and you know,
if we are actually on track, you know,
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superintelligence in five years,
I feel like this is not getting solved in
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years, and...
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[speaker_1] But I get where
are you coming.
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to like compete with this frontier.
They are claiming that it is their own.
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Doesn't make any sense to me.
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[speaker_2] No, no, no.
System don't know anything.
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System only know what the algorithms you
are going to design based
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on those data points it's going to-
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[speaker_0] I think this
is where actually we're disagreeing.
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Like I'm saying even right now we
are feeding the models with so much junk
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much false data.
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[speaker_2] Has to, of course.
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[speaker_0] Like it's fine on that,
like without us telling it, and we
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data also, false data also both.
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[speaker_2] True.
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[speaker_0] Because internet has all sorts
of correct data also.
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But right now still
when you ask you putting-
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[speaker_2] Whatever data has been there
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for, okay, thirty or forty years,
just reuse the data and call up the
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algorithm.
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[speaker_1] I feel out of place as well,
so yeah.
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[speaker_0] You must have then considered
also leaving India.
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[speaker_1] Mm, I am planning to,
but not as of now.
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[speaker_0] Okay.
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[speaker_1] Like not trying to like leave
the field un-until unless I have like
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very concrete facts, but yeah.
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[speaker_2] We're building our core
infrastructure. Government is talking.
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I don't know what is happening.
Maybe we are doing very good.
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I'm happy to hear, uh, that people
are building.
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But maybe we have lost one software
industry, uh, uh,
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software industry. In the same way, we
are becoming service industry, but at this
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time we should infrastructure should be
created.
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So point is that, uh, uh, this
is good for our
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country,
but you have got an opportunity to be a
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And being in ecosystem,
you have to really be top security
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person.
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[speaker_0] Search for, you know,
a superintelligence. But I'm, again,
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I feel like this is a hard problem.
It's not getting cracked in five years.
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And if we get, you know,
superintelligence like this soon,
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five years,
I feel like we're not prepared. You know,
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That's my first point. My second point
is like, okay, even if we
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successfully keep a superintelligence
under our control, like under our control
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means whose control? It'll be, you know,
the people running, you know, the, the
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CEOs of, you know, OpenAI, DeepMind,
Anthropic, you know,
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the race. It'll be, you know,
the US president, you know,
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Like basically the people who
are actually at the top,
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will run the entire society how they want,
and-
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[speaker_1] It would may not injure a
human being.
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[speaker_0] Yeah. This Asimov's laws,
right?
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[speaker_1] Yeah. Yeah.
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[speaker_0] Yeah, yeah.
I've read about it. Yeah.
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[speaker_1] Okay. Sorry, what is that?
All I heard, what is that name?
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[speaker_0] Yeah.
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[speaker_1] Asimov's laws.
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[speaker_0] Asimov. Okay.
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[speaker_1] As- Okay. These are the laws.
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[speaker_0] Asimov. Okay.
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[speaker_1] We cannot even create any AI
model without having these laws.
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AI can never like give us a problem.
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[speaker_0] Yes.
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[speaker_1] Until, unless it's, you know,
some robbing jobs of the tunga people,
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people, you know.
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[speaker_0] Yeah.
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[speaker_1] At that time, the movie
was created in the '90s that, uh,
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not.
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[speaker_0] Yeah.
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[speaker_1] Now you tell me buses
are more viable or the palgadi
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[speaker_0] Yeah.
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[speaker_1] What would you,
what do you think?
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[speaker_0] Yeah, like I'm pro-technology.
I'm even pro, I am specifically against
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superintelligence.
I think superintelligence
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technology.
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[speaker_1] Solving the problem
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[speaker_4] Uh,
because Indian has one particular problem-
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[speaker_0] Okay
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[speaker_4] ... again.
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[speaker_0] Mm.
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[speaker_4] Now you will see
that problem in everything.
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[speaker_0] Okay.
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[speaker_4] This is it, uh,
our makeup of how we think, and
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spirituality or, uh, education.
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[speaker_0] Mm.
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[speaker_4] I do not see much of
education, but-
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[speaker_0] Like, uh, like-
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[speaker_4] ...
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[speaker_0] No, no, no. There
are too many points I want to first,
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[speaker_4] Okay, you want to-
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[speaker_0] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah,
you were saying, you know, yeah,
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of robotics, like, uh, there
is this field of alignment
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Even people at OpenAI, Anthropic,
there are a few people at these companies
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to, you know, ensure their, you know,
AI follows, you know, certain laws.
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You can use those laws as an example.
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I'm saying even they are,
like right now failing, like this
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They're not actually able to do it.
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[speaker_4] Anytime a new technology
is being created-
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[speaker_0] Yes
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[speaker_4] ... there are a lot of dummy,
uh, like even when iPhone
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phones failed.
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[speaker_0] Yes.
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[speaker_4] N- not because they were,
they were wrong.
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[speaker_0] Yeah.
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[speaker_4] Technology.
Just look how the technology is being, be-
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like made, how, how they've been creating,
and how you can
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actually help that technology being
created in a safer way.
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Not every, every perspective of,
of profession.
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[speaker_0] Yeah.
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[speaker_4] And from design-
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[speaker_0] Okay
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[speaker_4] ... and from marketing.
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[speaker_0] Yeah.
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[speaker_4] I know what it,
how to write and all.
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Right. You can always put the plug inside.
Runs on electricity, right?
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[speaker_0] Okay, yeah. So there
are multiple problems with that proposal.
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Uh-
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[speaker_4] It, it, it has, it,
it runs on certain things and
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always autonomy is given by humans to the
extent.
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[speaker_0] Yeah.
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[speaker_4] At the end of the day,
if it... I'm not saying complete autonomy,
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autonomy is, is a,
is the basis of what AI has to have.
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No AI can have, uh,
complete autonomy without guardrails of
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universe also.
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Yeah,
I'm only saying we have to trust the
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When human beings have done damages to,
to the, to the
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world to a degree as well.
Not to say that, okay,
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against of course. Consider of saying, uh,
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for causing research you could say start
research
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for guardrails, okay? Uh, towards, uh,
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artificial superintelligence.
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[speaker_0] I,
I understood what you're saying.
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I appreciate you put this effort into
thinking about it.
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But yeah, I mean, coming back to pausing,
I feel, yeah, I mean, unless,
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like public actually puts pressure on
governments, on companies to do something
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about it, but-
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[speaker_4] No,
but I think you need to self-evolve.
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That the point is
that only self-actualized individuals can
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I am not fully self-actualized.
I'm on my way to self-actualization.
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[speaker_0] Yeah.
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[speaker_4] I have more coherence in terms
of others.
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So I'm saying that if you have coherence,
you can build anything in the
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world with guardrails.
That's the whole point.
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[speaker_0] Yeah. Uh, you're saying,
you're saying if you like,
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you know, full automated autonomy,
it can run, you know, everything, uh,
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we will pull the plug. I'm saying like-
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[speaker_4] Structured autonomy.
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[speaker_0] ... first we can appreciate-
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[speaker_4] Structured... Even right now,
the AI that is there, it is not without
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structured autonomy. Don't think
that it has-
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[speaker_0] Sorry. Yeah,
please answer first.
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[speaker_4] Huh?
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[speaker_0] Do you,
I'd react to what you said.
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[speaker_4] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay.
Okay.
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[speaker_0] Uh, yeah, I mean,
first problem with that is it
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between US and China. Even if a country
or a company knows
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that, you know,
their model could cause dangers,
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with it. That is, like, the first problem.
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The second problem
is they might not know in advance, like
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sufficiently intelligent
and be aware this is happening.
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Third problem, if the takeoff
is very fast, like if the jump from,
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human to like way beyond human,
if the jump happens too quickly, again,
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see it coming.
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[speaker_4] Okay, your blind spot
and bottleneck question.
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[speaker_5] The initiative is good, man,
but like I have just one question.
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Seeing AI to AI conversation that's
happening-
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[speaker_4] So let me-
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[speaker_5] Yeah
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[speaker_4] ... let me, let me just-
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[speaker_5] Instead of pressurizing the
government that has no rights.
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India has no,
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no, how do you say, no say
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compared to the US and compared to China.
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So I don't think you can achieve anything,
uh, tangible, but, uh,
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it's a good initiative. I appreciate it.
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[speaker_4] Yeah.
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[speaker_5] Many people don't know about
this stuff.
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[speaker_0] Yeah. That is true.
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[speaker_4] My only point is that,
you know, if you're just going to say
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be a linear thing, life
is non-linear as well.
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You never know what surprises sprung up.
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So instead of trying to control AI like a
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dictator who does that and respect,
you know, myopia, dystopia or
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utopia, build frameworks
and structures and systems around that,
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that will implement and, you know,
it will give it direction.
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It needs struct- systems, structure,
clarity and direction.
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Powerful direction. Your internet,
a lot of individuals
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did say that, you know,
there would be this catastrophe,
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Now the big media houses
are controlled by the big vested
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This is democratizing every individual.
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You know,
you could basically post this using AI
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but instead of a negative or a pause,
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look at the positive impact of it
and take this
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as, as real, real time systemic feedback.
Okay?
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You need-
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[speaker_0] So think I'm agreeing on you
on some part,
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part. I think that's-
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[speaker_4] But you ...
I'm here to put up my point.
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[speaker_0] Yeah, yeah.
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[speaker_4] I have to go.
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[speaker_0] Sorry.
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[speaker_6] I partially agree with you
because I believe the answer will be lie
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between. Suppose there
is a community where we
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It is very fine, very much fine.
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[speaker_4] Something.
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[speaker_0] Yeah.
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[speaker_4] Okay? It will fail.
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[speaker_6] Because I believe-
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[speaker_4] No matter what you do,
you're wasting your time by just by
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here instead of doing something
constructive, productive
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a clarity mission.
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[speaker_0] An answer, I mean,
I am supportive of people working on
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research for a superintelligence to be
built. However, I think that
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[speaker_4] But you can't basically
control, uh, US and China.
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You are basically expecting a utopia here.
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[speaker_0] Yeah. I-
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[speaker_4] And it's not going to work
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[speaker_0] ...
I personally can't do this. Only
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public is convinced-
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[speaker_4] No, but, uh,
see everybody's going to AI India Impact
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[speaker_0] Yes.
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[speaker_4] I don't have time for this.
This is not...
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You are basically trying to con-
contain something
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has a huge capacity.
It's beyond the realistic
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idea. There's you, if you really want,
you invent something that will
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ensure it in proper direction.
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[speaker_0] Okay. I, I-
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[speaker_4] You-
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[speaker_0] I think we disagree,
but I understood your point of view. Yeah.
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[speaker_4] It's not whether you disagree
or I'm not here to convince you.
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I'm here to ensure
that you don't waste your time.
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[speaker_0] Okay.
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[speaker_4] And nor, nor do others.
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[speaker_0] No.
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[speaker_4] First thing is,
the more you stand up against something
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reason, a proper cause, you
are not standing up for a real cause.
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[speaker_0] Yeah. I think it-
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[speaker_4] I think this
is not the right cause
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[speaker_0] ... you should explain,
explain to my reasons why-
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[speaker_4] No, no, I don't want to argue.
You are basically, you are a- you
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imposing your dictatorship on something
that you don't, you don't have control
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over. You want to contain it. And that's-
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[speaker_0] I said the public should
contain it,
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[speaker_4] No, no. Whether you
or not the public
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[speaker_6] I think we need to make sure
superintelligence is in
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correct hands.
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[speaker_4] Su- superintelligence
is different than a general intelligence.
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[speaker_6] Whenever it comes,
it should be in the correct hands rather
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[speaker_4] I think you're, you're-
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[speaker_0] So, so yeah, so the, uh-
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[speaker_4] This is dystopia
and utopia and myopia.
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