[speaker_0] Hello, my name is Samuel. I graduated from MIT in
2023. I did ML Safety Scholars under Dr. Dan Hendrycks at UC Berkeley.
It's a full-time course. I got convinced by some of these
why the superintelligence might be coming soon, why it could be dangerous, and I
realized actually my life is in danger.
[speaker_1] Yes, I think there's an actual chance I might
[speaker_2] So your motive why you are doing so, I know because, uh, when we
reach a certain level, the AI will, uh, going to impact us.
[speaker_1] Something.
[speaker_0] Yeah.
[speaker_1] Okay? It will fail.
No matter what you do, you're wasting your time.
[speaker_0] Uh, yeah, I think in the next five to 10 years,
will become better than humans at everything.
I'm against the idea of like, uh, like I'm pro-technology, pro-capitalism,
but I'm specifically against superintelligence.
An AI which is so much better than humans is do everything.
And then you can run the entire business, politics, research.
There's no thing you can run. When you're in that sort of scenario,
basically hundred percent unemployment. It'll be like everybody will be useless.
[speaker_2] See, brother, you see the human race take over.
[speaker_0] Yeah.
[speaker_2] We, human race, you know, we work without technology
also.
[speaker_0] Yeah.
[speaker_2] Without science also.
[speaker_0] Yeah.
[speaker_2] Without, we work. Science and technology and
machinery.
[speaker_0] Yeah.
[speaker_2] We are surviving.
[speaker_0] Yeah.
[speaker_2] There is a way.
[speaker_1] No, instead of companies, can we
have some kind of system where we democratize.
[speaker_0] Hey, I'm completely in support with you on,
had an institution that could democratically control what to
superintelligence-
[speaker_1] Yeah
[speaker_0] ... I would be in support of that. Uh,
I haven't built it, you haven't built it.
If nobody builds it in the next five to 10 years, I'm saying this thing can be
happening.
[speaker_3] I think this is, so I believe like it's way ahead of a
Like, I don't think it's coming any year to us.
It, it being exponential because, uh, priorly what the,
the major thing which was solved, all the attention mechanism we got earlier
also, we have got the second going to I believe.
[speaker_0] Like I, like there are some AI researchers in the AI research
think we can build an AI that's better than humans in everything.
Like we might be able to build this in like next five years, 10, you know.
[speaker_2] Thinking probably, yeah. I'm
afraid of this. I'm afraid of this kind of
scenario.
[speaker_0] Yes.
[speaker_2] Then what we will do?
[speaker_0] Right. Now I'm basically, uh, trying to raise awareness to put, like,
so that the public puts pressure on the US government, on the Chinese government.
[speaker_1] So the AI for, for
peace. For peace.
[speaker_0] Yeah. Yeah.
That could be the winning something.
[speaker_1] Are you making this just to become famous?
[speaker_0] Uh, no. I actually think my life is in danger.
I could have had, you know, career in, you know, software research.
I actually think my life is in danger, that's all.
[speaker_1] The actual, uh, good life kind of things
not reached the Earth. Main thing is whatsoever is virtual
we must implement.
[speaker_0] I
don't
want to discourage anyone working on it, but also when I looked at it, what I
realized was like this is not getting solved in five years.
Like this is going to take more time than that.
Like
unless, you know, some genius comes in here,
like this will take time and you know, if we are actually on track, you know,
superintelligence in five years, I feel like this is not getting solved in
years, and...
[speaker_1] But I get where are you coming.
to like compete with this frontier. They are claiming that it is their own.
Doesn't make any sense to me.
[speaker_2] No, no, no. System don't know anything.
System only know what the algorithms you are going to design based
on those data points it's going to-
[speaker_0] I think this is where actually we're disagreeing.
Like I'm saying even right now we are feeding the models with so much junk
much false data.
[speaker_2] Has to, of course.
[speaker_0] Like it's fine on that, like without us telling it, and we
data also, false data also both.
[speaker_2] True.
[speaker_0] Because internet has all sorts of correct data also.
But right now still when you ask you putting-
[speaker_2] Whatever data has been there
for, okay, thirty or forty years, just reuse the data and call up the
algorithm.
[speaker_1] I feel out of place as well, so yeah.
[speaker_0] You must have then considered also leaving India.
[speaker_1] Mm, I am planning to, but not as of now.
[speaker_0] Okay.
[speaker_1] Like not trying to like leave the field un-until unless I have like
very concrete facts, but yeah.
[speaker_2] We're building our core infrastructure. Government is talking.
I don't know what is happening. Maybe we are doing very good.
I'm happy to hear, uh, that people are building.
But maybe we have lost one software industry, uh, uh,
software industry. In the same way, we are becoming service industry, but at this
time we should infrastructure should be created.
So point is that, uh, uh, this is good for our
country, but you have got an opportunity to be a
And being in ecosystem, you have to really be top security
person.
[speaker_0] Search for, you know, a superintelligence. But I'm, again,
I feel like this is a hard problem. It's not getting cracked in five years.
And if we get, you know, superintelligence like this soon,
five years, I feel like we're not prepared. You know,
That's my first point. My second point is like, okay, even if we
successfully keep a superintelligence under our control, like under our control
means whose control? It'll be, you know, the people running, you know, the, the
CEOs of, you know, OpenAI, DeepMind, Anthropic, you know,
the race. It'll be, you know, the US president, you know,
Like basically the people who are actually at the top,
will run the entire society how they want, and-
[speaker_1] It would may not injure a human being.
[speaker_0] Yeah. This Asimov's laws, right?
[speaker_1] Yeah. Yeah.
[speaker_0] Yeah, yeah. I've read about it. Yeah.
[speaker_1] Okay. Sorry, what is that? All I heard, what is that name?
[speaker_0] Yeah.
[speaker_1] Asimov's laws.
[speaker_0] Asimov. Okay.
[speaker_1] As- Okay. These are the laws.
[speaker_0] Asimov. Okay.
[speaker_1] We cannot even create any AI model without having these laws.
AI can never like give us a problem.
[speaker_0] Yes.
[speaker_1] Until, unless it's, you know, some robbing jobs of the tunga people,
people, you know.
[speaker_0] Yeah.
[speaker_1] At that time, the movie was created in the '90s that, uh,
not.
[speaker_0] Yeah.
[speaker_1] Now you tell me buses are more viable or the palgadi
[speaker_0] Yeah.
[speaker_1] What would you, what do you think?
[speaker_0] Yeah, like I'm pro-technology. I'm even pro, I am specifically against
superintelligence. I think superintelligence
technology.
[speaker_1] Solving the problem
[speaker_4] Uh, because Indian has one particular problem-
[speaker_0] Okay
[speaker_4] ... again.
[speaker_0] Mm.
[speaker_4] Now you will see that problem in everything.
[speaker_0] Okay.
[speaker_4] This is it, uh, our makeup of how we think, and
spirituality or, uh, education.
[speaker_0] Mm.
[speaker_4] I do not see much of education, but-
[speaker_0] Like, uh, like-
[speaker_4] ...
[speaker_0] No, no, no. There are too many points I want to first,
[speaker_4] Okay, you want to-
[speaker_0] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you were saying, you know, yeah,
of robotics, like, uh, there is this field of alignment
Even people at OpenAI, Anthropic, there are a few people at these companies
to, you know, ensure their, you know, AI follows, you know, certain laws.
You can use those laws as an example.
I'm saying even they are, like right now failing, like this
They're not actually able to do it.
[speaker_4] Anytime a new technology is being created-
[speaker_0] Yes
[speaker_4] ... there are a lot of dummy, uh, like even when iPhone
phones failed.
[speaker_0] Yes.
[speaker_4] N- not because they were, they were wrong.
[speaker_0] Yeah.
[speaker_4] Technology. Just look how the technology is being, be-
like made, how, how they've been creating, and how you can
actually help that technology being created in a safer way.
Not every, every perspective of, of profession.
[speaker_0] Yeah.
[speaker_4] And from design-
[speaker_0] Okay
[speaker_4] ... and from marketing.
[speaker_0] Yeah.
[speaker_4] I know what it, how to write and all.
Right. You can always put the plug inside. Runs on electricity, right?
[speaker_0] Okay, yeah. So there are multiple problems with that proposal.
Uh-
[speaker_4] It, it, it has, it, it runs on certain things and
always autonomy is given by humans to the extent.
[speaker_0] Yeah.
[speaker_4] At the end of the day, if it... I'm not saying complete autonomy,
autonomy is, is a, is the basis of what AI has to have.
No AI can have, uh, complete autonomy without guardrails of
universe also.
Yeah, I'm only saying we have to trust the
When human beings have done damages to, to the, to the
world to a degree as well. Not to say that, okay,
against of course. Consider of saying, uh,
for causing research you could say start research
for guardrails, okay? Uh, towards, uh,
artificial superintelligence.
[speaker_0] I, I understood what you're saying.
I appreciate you put this effort into thinking about it.
But yeah, I mean, coming back to pausing, I feel, yeah, I mean, unless,
like public actually puts pressure on governments, on companies to do something
about it, but-
[speaker_4] No, but I think you need to self-evolve.
That the point is that only self-actualized individuals can
I am not fully self-actualized. I'm on my way to self-actualization.
[speaker_0] Yeah.
[speaker_4] I have more coherence in terms of others.
So I'm saying that if you have coherence, you can build anything in the
world with guardrails. That's the whole point.
[speaker_0] Yeah. Uh, you're saying, you're saying if you like,
you know, full automated autonomy, it can run, you know, everything, uh,
we will pull the plug. I'm saying like-
[speaker_4] Structured autonomy.
[speaker_0] ... first we can appreciate-
[speaker_4] Structured... Even right now, the AI that is there, it is not without
structured autonomy. Don't think that it has-
[speaker_0] Sorry. Yeah, please answer first.
[speaker_4] Huh?
[speaker_0] Do you, I'd react to what you said.
[speaker_4] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay.
[speaker_0] Uh, yeah, I mean, first problem with that is it
between US and China. Even if a country or a company knows
that, you know, their model could cause dangers,
with it. That is, like, the first problem.
The second problem is they might not know in advance, like
sufficiently intelligent and be aware this is happening.
Third problem, if the takeoff is very fast, like if the jump from,
human to like way beyond human, if the jump happens too quickly, again,
see it coming.
[speaker_4] Okay, your blind spot and bottleneck question.
[speaker_5] The initiative is good, man, but like I have just one question.
Seeing AI to AI conversation that's happening-
[speaker_4] So let me-
[speaker_5] Yeah
[speaker_4] ... let me, let me just-
[speaker_5] Instead of pressurizing the government that has no rights.
India has no,
no, how do you say, no say
compared to the US and compared to China.
So I don't think you can achieve anything, uh, tangible, but, uh,
it's a good initiative. I appreciate it.
[speaker_4] Yeah.
[speaker_5] Many people don't know about this stuff.
[speaker_0] Yeah. That is true.
[speaker_4] My only point is that, you know, if you're just going to say
be a linear thing, life is non-linear as well.
You never know what surprises sprung up.
So instead of trying to control AI like a
dictator who does that and respect, you know, myopia, dystopia or
utopia, build frameworks and structures and systems around that,
that will implement and, you know, it will give it direction.
It needs struct- systems, structure, clarity and direction.
Powerful direction. Your internet, a lot of individuals
did say that, you know, there would be this catastrophe,
Now the big media houses are controlled by the big vested
This is democratizing every individual.
You know, you could basically post this using AI
but instead of a negative or a pause,
look at the positive impact of it and take this
as, as real, real time systemic feedback. Okay?
You need-
[speaker_0] So think I'm agreeing on you on some part,
part. I think that's-
[speaker_4] But you ... I'm here to put up my point.
[speaker_0] Yeah, yeah.
[speaker_4] I have to go.
[speaker_0] Sorry.
[speaker_6] I partially agree with you because I believe the answer will be lie
between. Suppose there is a community where we
It is very fine, very much fine.
[speaker_4] Something.
[speaker_0] Yeah.
[speaker_4] Okay? It will fail.
[speaker_6] Because I believe-
[speaker_4] No matter what you do, you're wasting your time by just by
here instead of doing something constructive, productive
a clarity mission.
[speaker_0] An answer, I mean, I am supportive of people working on
research for a superintelligence to be built. However, I think that
[speaker_4] But you can't basically control, uh, US and China.
You are basically expecting a utopia here.
[speaker_0] Yeah. I-
[speaker_4] And it's not going to work
[speaker_0] ... I personally can't do this. Only
public is convinced-
[speaker_4] No, but, uh, see everybody's going to AI India Impact
[speaker_0] Yes.
[speaker_4] I don't have time for this. This is not...
You are basically trying to con- contain something
has a huge capacity. It's beyond the realistic
idea. There's you, if you really want, you invent something that will
ensure it in proper direction.
[speaker_0] Okay. I, I-
[speaker_4] You-
[speaker_0] I think we disagree, but I understood your point of view. Yeah.
[speaker_4] It's not whether you disagree or I'm not here to convince you.
I'm here to ensure that you don't waste your time.
[speaker_0] Okay.
[speaker_4] And nor, nor do others.
[speaker_0] No.
[speaker_4] First thing is, the more you stand up against something
reason, a proper cause, you are not standing up for a real cause.
[speaker_0] Yeah. I think it-
[speaker_4] I think this is not the right cause
[speaker_0] ... you should explain, explain to my reasons why-
[speaker_4] No, no, I don't want to argue. You are basically, you are a- you
imposing your dictatorship on something that you don't, you don't have control
over. You want to contain it. And that's-
[speaker_0] I said the public should contain it,
[speaker_4] No, no. Whether you or not the public
[speaker_6] I think we need to make sure superintelligence is in
correct hands.
[speaker_4] Su- superintelligence is different than a general intelligence.
[speaker_6] Whenever it comes, it should be in the correct hands rather
[speaker_4] I think you're, you're-
[speaker_0] So, so yeah, so the, uh-
[speaker_4] This is dystopia and utopia and myopia.